tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30984739.post4627209095991075555..comments2023-10-01T14:37:09.159+01:00Comments on Maysaloon - ميسلون: The unCreative Forum - Pining for ColonialismMaysaloonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06826378383173206624noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30984739.post-56963945325446945992009-04-21T12:03:00.000+01:002009-04-21T12:03:00.000+01:00Camille,
The article is clear in its presumptions...Camille, <br />The article is clear in its presumptions and clear in what was being stated. How could understanding his motives and feelings influence in any way the meaning which is intended from that essay? The answer is not at all, it will not. I was not rude, nor offensive in my responsive, simply critical of what was being said. He has not denied any of my accusations, incidentally.Maysaloonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06826378383173206624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30984739.post-21418010206713944442009-04-21T03:42:00.000+01:002009-04-21T03:42:00.000+01:00The problem is that you are too quick to attack Wa...The problem is that you are too quick to attack Wassim. Why don't you try asking questions first instead of assuming that you have infallible ability to understand people's motives and feelings?<br /><br />In what way are more refined that President Bush's brilliant neocon thinkers?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11418800770324307074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30984739.post-47848018376401974162009-04-20T23:31:00.000+01:002009-04-20T23:31:00.000+01:00Rather than construct a new debate based on what y...Rather than construct a new debate based on what you think my position is on Islam or secularism, which is in fact not accurate. Can any one of you who are criticising me actually engage with me on any of the issues that I thought were serious problems in this man's essay? I feel like it is more a problem that I am the one who attacked him rather than that there is something which deserved being attacked in the essay - which there is.Maysaloonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06826378383173206624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30984739.post-23192188844067796712009-04-20T22:59:00.000+01:002009-04-20T22:59:00.000+01:00But there is nothing wrong with secularism per se....But there is nothing wrong with secularism per se. It is not necessarily a Western ideal (look at the US hypocritical secular state).<br /><br />Secularism isn't something to aspire to because Islam and state don't necessarily work together. Secularism is something to be aspired to for its own values.<br /><br />The problem is too few Muslims even understand what secularism means. People think I'm an atheist when I tell them my politics. Don't forget, the original pan-Arab post-colonial ideals were secular.sasahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02342230868589612986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30984739.post-58926593869272877732009-04-20T21:06:00.000+01:002009-04-20T21:06:00.000+01:00Dear Wassim
You are welcome to write a post if yo...Dear Wassim<br /><br />You are welcome to write a post if you want.<br /><br />I will reply to you at the end of the day. You seem to have decided to forget a few things in reaching your black and white conclusions. <br /><br />It seems President Bush's "you are either with us of against us" impressed even some of his enemies.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11418800770324307074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30984739.post-81473305488071386122009-04-20T19:59:00.000+01:002009-04-20T19:59:00.000+01:00Wassim,
What do you mean by bantustans? I agree ...Wassim,<br /><br />What do you mean by bantustans? I agree that we have many divisive mentalities in our nation, but do you believe that anyone who doesn't call for the establishment of an Arab/Islamic state an advocate of "bantustan" secularism?Nourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17741879089276139111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30984739.post-68072393395867666562009-04-20T17:02:00.000+01:002009-04-20T17:02:00.000+01:00Sasa,
In fact there is no contradiction in what yo...Sasa,<br />In fact there is no contradiction in what you adhere to, but you will find that the secularism advocated there is not pan-Arab but rather a secularism of separate bantustans.<br /><br />In addition, the secularism they are advocating already exists, but they mean it specifically as a tool for limiting and extinguishing political or social expression of Islam in a method which only really applies to Middle Ages Europe and not the Middle East today.<br /><br />The Middle East today, in fact, does not have the crisis of religion and state as is popularly presented to us, and Islam itself has no such contradiction as a faith in its political or individual spheres. Fanatical religious expression is a direct result of occupation and oppression by the very same secular forces that these people are cheering on. On a popular level, they are pressing all the right buttons in their discussions, but on another level their accusations, assumptions and generalisations are grossly inaccurate and baseless.Maysaloonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06826378383173206624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30984739.post-67611589311757057582009-04-20T16:25:00.000+01:002009-04-20T16:25:00.000+01:00I'm a secular pan-Arabist. These two ideas don't c...I'm a secular pan-Arabist. These two ideas don't contradict do they? Isn't pan-Arabism built on secular ideals?sasahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02342230868589612986noreply@blogger.com